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« Odgovor #30 poslato: 08 Decembar 2011, 12:02:33 »

Ja ostajem na EN C dok se ne razjasne stvari Smiley
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« Odgovor #31 poslato: 10 Decembar 2011, 12:05:51 »

Po meni je ovde CIVIL i FAI ili ko vec usrao zestoko stvar sa zabranom OPEN class glajdera.
Nesreca je velika kad neko pogine u nekom sportu. Ali moje licno misljenje je da su ljudi dolazili nepripremljeni
na top pilama i letili po KRETENSKIM uslovima...

Evo vrijeme je pokazalo, tj. pokazace oce li ili nece da useru END klasu. Skidam kapu Advance-u sto je ostao pri ,,normalnoj,, END klasi.

Letio sam stvarno dosta Airwave Magic 5 END krilo koje je lafo po misljenju mnogih bilo prezivcano krilo, po svakakvim uslovima od -8 do +9ms, proljece, rokanje i sve ostalo. Bilo je kolapsa na fullspeedu a
ali nista strasno, tj. galjder se vadio iz svakog sranja koje sam mu priredio mojim pretjeranim forsiranjem i internom trkom na letenju u nasem klubu. Magic 5 je po mom misljenju
mozda bio malo zivcaniji na trim speedu u odnosu na konkurente iz te generacije, ali su ga ljudi napravili da bude stablan kao VOZ NA SINAMA na speedu, sto i jeste bio. -i bio je nenormalno okretan za svoju klasu.

Znaci, vrtis stub i cim krenes negdje u tranziciju ma koliko ona mala ili velika bila gazi speed i hvataj C gurtne. - Za ovu je svrhu bio kreiran Magic 5. Ovo moze da vam potvrdi Martin iz Makedonije posto mislim da je letio Magic 4 ili Magic 5.

Sta sad ako vise ne bude takvih glajdera? vec END 2liner krila koja opet imaju nepopravljivu sistuaciju. Nije da ova standardna END krila ne mogu da dodju u nepopravljivu situaciju
ali su sanse za to drasticno manje. Npr. twist line od par krugova, gdje se zestoko zapetljaju komande i ne mosh nista uraditii osim baciti rezervu. Ovo pogotovo vazi za ljude koji lete sa npr. ergo NIviuk ruckama ili jos po meni boljim onim RR acro handles.

Po meni jedan primjer ekstra klasicnog 3liner END krila je Advance Omega8 koju leti kolega iz mog kluba. Krilo ima glajd 10+, na speedu je stabilno i mirno da ne mosh vjerovati. Kvalitet izrade stvarno je perverzija.. Handling je san itd.. Cijena je naravno kretenska... Sta vise mozes da pozelis od krila osim da nije ova kretenska cijena? Smiley

END krila u odnosu na ENB I ENC imaju po meni mnogo ljepse i preciznije upravljanje, glajd, brzinu, mogucnost da se zavrti usko u tzv ,,flat,, okretu, bolje penju a moze da prica ko sta hoce itd..

Prije nekog vremena sam probao jedno ENC krilo od kolege i iskreno da vam kazem ziv sam se isprepadao..

Uff sto se raspisah..

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Ovde jugovina dere a kisa samo sto nije pala :(
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« Odgovor #32 poslato: 10 Decembar 2011, 19:01:14 »


PS
Ovde jugovina dere a kisa samo sto nije pala :(

Ako ti je za utehu, ni ovde ne cvetaju kumulusi :(
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« Odgovor #33 poslato: 27 Decembar 2011, 11:45:10 »

Novi Boomerang...




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« Odgovor #34 poslato: 27 Decembar 2011, 13:31:25 »

Novi Boomerang...

Deluje ultra stabilno Huh?
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« Odgovor #35 poslato: 27 Decembar 2011, 15:19:38 »

Deluje, videcemo kad izadje video sa testiranja, jos bolje kad krenu ljudi da ga lete Smiley
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« Odgovor #36 poslato: 29 Januar 2012, 22:24:12 »

zanimliv repor od Dzek iz Amerike...


After a week of flying here in Valle de Bravo in full on racing conditions I can
offer some perspective...plz remember this is my own.

Yesterday saw a few more events which helped solidly my feelings. Following
several reserves/incidents in the preceding days, notable events I'm familiar
with for yesterday (there were others) being 2 Gin Xs falling out of the sky
with one ending under reserve and the other, SA Russell, an excellent pilot,
cascading 800 meters with a clean glider but unable to restart the glider with
normal inputs - it finally started flying again at the last possible moment.

With full on racing conditions we've had much of the time, the majority of
gliding is being done on full bar and everyone has done everything they can to
optimize their speed systems. You can imagine that pilots are trying various
measures to eek out even the smallest additional speed. Yesterday they put the
ESS directly in the afternoon lee/rotor of C Gordo with a 1k cylinder which
wasn't the best call by the tc and many pilots got worked diving in there.
Greece was full bar in there on his Enzo and was trying something with his
risers to get a bit more and blew up with a big crevat/spiral/full stall/cascade
and unable to restart then reserve with strong downplane and scary high speed
tall tree crash falling 30 feet shredding his glider. We were all quite relieved
that he was ok and able to spin it humorously as only Nick can do.

Two days ago Luca Donini, one of the planets most skilled and experienced pilots
was acro deep stalling his Enzo over the lake after making goal and ended up
under reserve and in the trees up the hill a bit from the lz, again, unable to
get things sorted out and restarted.

Both the Enzo and the IP6 are gliding quite well and are rock solid on speed
through all kinds of turbulence. The Gin pilots are really struggling because
they dont glide as well at trim and are nowhere near as efficient while trying
to speed through turbulence. They are constantly pitching and having to come off
bar because it's difficult to effectively control the gliders with the risers.
There was all kinds of hype when we got here about the Gin and how it turned so
well it would easily climb right up through other gliders.. This of course ended
up being total bs and of course it climbs nice but doesn't stand out. Several of
the same pilots are now dissappointed in the overall performance of the glider
saying its not so good for racing but good only for recreational flying. The
current results tend to support this but of course it's early in the comp and
things may change.

The IP6 has had some healthy factory quality control issues which showed up in
several gliders after the first few warmup days. This was evidenced by dimples
discovered by nearby pilots on the top surface in various locations. Some were
temporarily sorted out by cutting and taping internal cross bracing... Another
IP6 took a full frontal (before the comp started) and broke some A lines then
reserve. It was thought that they were possibly improperly looped at the riser
attachment point and burned through at the first shock loading of the glider.

The Enzo is an R10.2 with restricted speed and a small C cascade which seems to
make it launch easier. The B handles allow top efficiency while speeding on
glide through all kinds of turbulence. Unlike the R10.2 and R11, the Enzo will
spin (and apparently do a nice helicopter spin according to Josh yesterday) if
pushed too hard while thermaling, but the spin authority is quite good and this
has produced no problems that I'm aware of.

The IP6 has very successfully incorporated much of the R11s leading edge shark
nose. It's flying very nicely and pilots are able to keep it coordinated while
accelerated through turbulence. The certification was showing it quite a bit
faster than the Enzo and again many pilots were talking about how they were
going to school us on glide..... Again, this never materialized and the gliders
seem dead even IF you get every cm of speed out of your system. If you're half a
turn behind someone when you leave the last thermal then you will hit the ESS
10k later the same distance behind them if you've both managed the glider
equally through turbulence and stayed mostly pulley to pulley.

I guess what you can take from this is that any of these gliders may be
difficult or impossible to restart if things go bad. Many Ozone pilots, myself
included, are convinced that the best and safest all around racing glider is at
home. While the risks of full speed blowouts are clear on the R11/B8, it
appears that all 4 of the gliders we are flying here are also at risk of being
unrecoverable if things go bad. Ozones website warning on the Enzo is spot on
and Gin and Niviuk should do the same. Why not fly the R11 which glides better,
handles better, and is much less likely to break/stall/spin than the gliders
we've been forced on to by the events of last summer?

It's been very typical Valle full on racing with great conditions, great pilots,
and plenty of carnage with fortunately no serious injuries... The way things are
going I'm sure there will be boat loads of data to summarize and sort through
when this is finished....

Jack
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« Odgovor #37 poslato: 29 Januar 2012, 23:03:01 »

Hvala Martine za izvestaj, ocigledno problem nije resen. Agonija je samo produzena...
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« Odgovor #38 poslato: 29 Januar 2012, 23:08:37 »

Kad vec ljudi vole i hoce da lete ta "lako-kolapsirajuca i sporo-naduvavajuca" krila, i nema shanse da se odgovore od toga, pa dajte im bar normalnu kolichinu kanapa, da ne pucaju kod svakog kolapsa. Chak i sa rezervom kad se ide dole, bolje je imati vishe kanapa, da ima "drvo za shta da se uvati" Wink
A ipak, ni jedna voznja sa rezervnim padobranom nije sigurna. Nikad se ne zna gde ce nas vetar baciti, koji dalekovod, golo drvo, krov, bandera... al shta sad Undecided

 
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« Odgovor #39 poslato: 31 Januar 2012, 14:59:48 »

evo sta pise seyong... desna ruka gin-a...

Gin Gliders' factory test pilot Seyong Jung reports from Mexico.

After 5 tasks we finally had some bad weather, so today was a chance to think about the events of the past few days.

Housi made a great start by winning the first task, but in following days we had a couple of serious incidents with the Boomerang X not recovering as well as it had in our previous testing. Despite the fact that pilots are racing with full bar in sometimes extremely turbulent air, these incidents should not have happened.

Following investigation, we found some line shrinkage problems that have caused the glider to go out of trim. This affects both the performance and recovery characteristics.

We will rectify this line problem before production of the serial wings begins.

We remain confident that the Boomerang X will be suitable for a much wider range of pilots than just elite competition pilots. - Seyong
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« Odgovor #40 poslato: 03 Februar 2012, 13:28:57 »

Sto se tice Icepeak- a 6 i pokidanih kanapa: koliko sam ukapirao kanapi su pukli pri kacenju na drvo ne u vazduhu nakon kolapsa. Ispravite me ako ste nasli detaljniji info.
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« Odgovor #41 poslato: 03 Februar 2012, 18:43:23 »

Gazda Niviuka na pgforum je reko to... cudno je sto cela stvar izasla mnogo tiho i niko nije izasao sa neki detalan odgovor.. osim niviuk naravno... nije da verujem ili neverujem.. ali poznajem slucajevi gde kompanije su dali glideri i sl u zamenu cutnje za neke greshke...  Smiley izgleda necemo znati tacno dok se ne cujemo sa Zoki Smiley
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« Odgovor #42 poslato: 22 Februar 2012, 23:38:22 »

http://www.zrea.ch/index.php/after-open-letter?blog=2
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